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Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves!
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| Posted by: Tracye Gano |
Saturday, July 22, 2006 11:44 AM |
Bud Press of Christian Research Service did an excellent job of putting together a list of the bands that played at the Cornerstone Festival. http://www.christianresearchservice.com/CornerstoneBands.htm
For those of you who do not know what that is ... it is a festival that took place in early July over a 5 day period. It takes place every year and from what I can gleen at one time was a christian event.
It is marketed to, and attended by Christian's. Many let their youth go, and more than likely had or have NO CLUE what took place there.
I had written a post in the PZ Forum about this despicable event. The cornerstone festival is a hell hole of demonic activity and if anyone thinks otherwise they are deceived! Death, Contemplative Prayer, Spirit Guide, Labrynths, and many other eastern pagan practices were presented at this event.
There are those that have tried to defend this event. There is no defense! There is not ONE Scripture that would give them the license to wallow in such heathen activity! I do not care what name you give it. It was NOT Christian or Christ honoring in any way!
Folks what I saw on the list that Bud Press put together nauseated me.
The bands that played there are satanic in their songs, dress, and preoccupation! If someone says otherwise they are either deaf, dumb and blind or they are a wolf! Period!
I encourage every Bible believeing parent to check EVERYTHING out before you allow your children's spirit to be molested like those that attended this event.
I am going to warn you ... when you click on some of the band websites, they are beyond offensive!
Here are just a few that Bud lists that are so disgusting it defies proper descritpion.
Do NOT click on these links in front of children, and be sure and turn your sound off. The pictures speak enough without having to assault your ears with the sounds from the bottom pits of hell!
I am angry that people have the audacity to call themselves christians and then turn around and partake and encourage youth to partake of this kind of demon worship!
This is what many youth today are being taught is christian ...
PARENTAL DISCRESION IS ADVISED
http://www.myspace.com/zombiegutz -
http://www.myspace.com/thedamascusintervention -
http://www.demonhunter.net/front.php -
For a complete list of the bands Bud exposes - http://www.christianresearchservice.com/CornerstoneBands.htm
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Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Isaiah 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
Isaiah 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
Isaiah 5:23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Isaiah 5:24 Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Justin Emory Bassist of the Damascus Intervention on
Monday, August 28, 2006 4:01 PM |
Do you know me? no do you judge me yes the ones you refer to lurking in sheeps clothing is you. you cant judge someones relantionship with God to do so is an insult to the Holy Spirt may God have mercy upon you God Bless You
and have a great day
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By on
Monday, August 28, 2006 4:43 PM |
Justin,
It is not I who judges; it is the Word of God.
Based on the Satanic content of your music, lyrics and artwork, I can say with confidence it is not the Lord God Almighty you serve.
http://www.thedamascusintervention.com
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3750774
I hope and pray that one day you will have eyes to see and ears to hear. You cannot serve both God and Satan.
You are lost Justin ... and on the broad road to hell. You need to repent and turn from the evil you have aligned yourself with or you will spend an eternity in the fiery pits of hell.
Matthew 7:20-23 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
THE BIBLE DEMANDS STRICTNESS IN DOCTRINE
Matthew 28:20 -- "Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS whatsoever I
Have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end
Of the world. Amen."
Acts 20:27 -- "For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the
Counsel of God."
Ephesians 4:14 -- "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to
And fro, and carried about with EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, by the
Sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to
Deceive."
1 Timothy 1:3 -- "As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when
I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach
NO OTHER DOCTRINE."
1 Timothy 6:13-14 -- "I give thee charge in the sight of God, who
Quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius
Pilate witnessed a good confession; that thou keep this commandment
WITHOUT SPOT, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus
Christ."
2 Timothy 1:13 -- "Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast
Heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus."
2 Timothy 2:2 -- "And the things that thou hast heard of me among
Many witnesses, THE SAME commit thou to faithful men, who shall be
Able to teach others also."
Titus 1:9 -- "Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught,
That he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince
The gainsayers."
THE BIBLE DEMANDS THAT WE TEST ALL THINGS
Isaiah 8:20 -- "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not
According to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
Matthew 7:15 -- "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in
Sheep's' clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
Acts 17:11 -- "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in
That they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched
The scriptures daily, whether those things were so."
Romans 12:2 -- "... That ye may prove what is that good, and
Acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
1 Corinthians 2:15-16 -- "But he that is spiritual judgeth all
Things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the
Mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of
Christ."
Ephesians 5:10 -- "Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord."
Philippians 1:10 -- "That ye may approve things that are excellent;
That ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ."
1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
1 John 4:1 -- "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits
Whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out
Into the world."
Revelation 2:2 -- "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy
Patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou
Hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast
Found them liars:"
THE BIBLE DEMANDS CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH
Galatians 2:5 -- "To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an
Hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you."
Philippians 1:7 -- "Only let your conversation be as it becometh the
Gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent,
I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with
One mind striving together for the faith of the gospel."
Jude 3 -- "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of
The common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and
Exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was
Once delivered unto the saints."
THE BIBLE DEMANDS PLAIN EXPOSURE OF ERROR
Psalm 119:128 -- "Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all
Things to be right; and I hate every false way."
Romans 16:17 -- "Now I beseech you, brethren, MARK THEM which cause
Divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have
Learned; and avoid them."
Galatians 2:11 -- "But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood
Him to the face, because he was to be blamed."
1 Timothy 1:19-20 -- "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which
Some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is
Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they
May learn not to blaspheme."
2 Timothy 2:16-18 -- "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they
will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth
a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; who concerning the truth
have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and
overthrow the faith of some."
THE BIBLE DEMANDS SEPARATION FROM ERROR AND APOSTASY
Romans 16:17 -- "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause
divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have
learned; and AVOID THEM."
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 -- "BE YE NOT UNEQUALLY YOKED TOGETHER WITH
unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with
unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And
what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that
believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God
with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath
said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their
God, and they shall be my people. WHEREFORE COME OUT FROM AMONG THEM,
AND BE YE SEPARATE, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing;
and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall
be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."
2 Thessalonians 3:6 -- "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of
our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye WITHDRAW YOURSELVES from every brother
that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he
Received of us."
1 Timothy 6:3-5 -- "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the
doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing
nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof
cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings
of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that
gain is godliness: FROM SUCH WITHDRAW THYSELF."
2 Timothy 3:5 -- "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power
thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY."
Titus 3:10 -- "A man that is an heretick after the first and second
admonition REJECT."
2 John 10-11 -- "If there come any unto you, and bring not this
doctrine, RECEIVE HIM NOT into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
Revelation 18:4 -- "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying,
COME OUT OF HER, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and
that ye receive not of her plagues."
THE BIBLE DEMANDS STRICT SEPARATION FROM SIN AND WORLDLINESS
Matthew 6:24 -- "No man can serve two masters: for either he will
hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other. YE CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON."
Romans 12:2 -- "And BE NOT CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD: but be ye
transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is
that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."
2 Corinthians 6:3 -- "Giving NO offence in any thing, that the
ministry be not blamed."
Ephesians 5:11 -- "And have NO fellowship with the unfruitful works
of darkness, but rather reprove them."
1 Thessalonians 5:22 -- "Abstain from ALL appearance of evil."
Titus 2:11-14 -- "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath
appeared to all men, teaching us that, DENYING UNGODLINESS AND
WORLDLY LUSTS, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in
this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious
appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave
himself for us, that he might redeem us from ALL INIQUITY, and purify
unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works."
James 1:27 -- "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father
is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and
TO KEEP HIMSELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD."
James 4:4 -- "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
FRIENDSHIP OF THE WORLD IS ENMITY WITH GOD? whosoever therefore will
be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."
James 4:8 -- "Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. CLEANSE
YOUR HANDS, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded."
1 Peter 1:15 -- "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye
holy in ALL MANNER OF CONVERSATION."
1 John 2:15-17 -- "LOVE NOT THE WORLD, NEITHER THE THINGS THAT ARE IN
THE WORLD. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not
in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the
lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is
of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but
he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever."
1 John 5:19 -- "And we know that we are of God, and the whole world
lieth in wickedness."
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By justin on
Monday, August 28, 2006 5:31 PM |
(Im glad you say that with confidence) have you read our lyrics? if so explain to me how it is satanic. and agian you do not know me, you do not know my beliefs or where i come from, religous background, etc. im not going to get into that on this forum but i will say its the pointing, accusing fingers that you and others point that turns so many young people away from the Glory of Christ everyones a critic, but i dont care about useless opinions made about my character from someone i havent met or care to meet thank yo
-Justin L Emory |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By al on
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:11 PM |
| I have one question.. where do tell does it say anything about Justin's band calling themself a Christian band? How can you tell that Justin is not a Christian? Obviously b/c he plays bass in a band that has a picture that you don't agree with and the vocals may be a little to scary for most. I feel as though you are way off base. What made you choose this band of all bands out there? Ever listen to Gwar? Check them out. www.gwar.net Also be sure to check out the Jimbo Patterson Experience. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By aj of the damascus intervention on
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:13 PM |
| this will be my first and last post. our band for one , was not part of this so called " hell pit" of a christian festival. we have not been asked nor played this fest. and i say with strong knowledge that you havent even read our lyrics. i wrote most of our album. which to the average american christian, would seem to be christian lyrics. so unless scripture is not christian, then yes our lyrics are satanic because some of our lyrics are straight from the bible. if that makes us " satanic" in your eyes then so be it. we have our beliefs and know what we are about, as do the many other christian bands you have wrongfully accused of not being so. and i believe i was told that i am a satan worshiper by you, because i have my ears gauged. your words were that it originated in africa from tribes that practice voodoo. the last time i checked voodoo was a religion far from the practice of satanism. so thats neither here nor there. to make things easier on yourself, find another person to do your " dirty work" or do it yourself without bringing others into ignorance. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By on
Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:26 PM |
Al and Aj,
It is not I who you will stand before come judgment day.
But the Bible does teach that I can judge the fruit of those who claim the title of Christian. There is nothing on your web site nor those you align yourself with that is remotely glorifying the Lord God of Heaven and Earth. But there is plenty that glorifies the enemy of our souls, Satan.
It really does not matter what words that you attach to the music, it is the spirit behind it, and I am pretty confident it does not resemble the Holy Spirit of God.
I point you all to the numerous Scriptures listed above.
If theScritpures above do not speak to your spirit; you might want to ask yourselves ... why? |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By CharlieD on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:03 PM |
i quote.
"The bands that played there are satanic in their songs, dress, and preoccupation! If someone says otherwise they are either deaf, dumb and blind or they are a wolf! Period!"
God wants you to be your own person, thats why he gave us all free will. He gave us free will to express ourselves through our own individuality and imagination, so personally i dont think God really cares how people dress, or how they sing, and im pretty sure he gets joy from the fact that people use the talents he gave them such as musical ability. honestly.. just because it may seem offensive to you, doesnt mean it isnt a christian thing. if you think about it.. theres no such thing as christian music.. only christian lyrics. and if they are in the wrong for doing such things... who are u to judge anybody if you are such a strong believer in the christian faith? are you God..?no |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Nick [jams booking augusta, ga.] on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:04 PM |
wow, this is completly and utterly NONSENSE. Not only of the defense of my friends bands: Zombie Gutz and The Damascus Intervention, but to all the other bands that played cornerstone. You must be the guy who goes to those elton john concerts, am I right? You may not agree to the way this music is introduced to people, but christan hardcore bands like war of ages, alove for enemies, underoath, dear whoever have had a strong influence on my being christian. I'm sure if you would've taken some time to read they're lyrics in the songs, you would've seen that this blog thing you've written, isn't the best way to have solved this problem.
I for one think that Cornerstone Festival has become something very great, just because you dress different, and listen to Kenny Chessney, doesn't really give you the right to bash on bands who bust their butts driving 2-12 hrs. a day just to play a show and barely get paid enough money for gas and food for the next day.
have a great day.
nick |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Scotland on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:05 PM |
Lift up a stone and you will find Him,
cherish the beauty in the world around us
Not in buildings or crosses made by man
Judge me, will you? stop playing God,
Your forked tongue prophecies,
carelessly caressing the wounds of the weak
People like you should be crucified,
then maybe just maybe you would have an idea
Of what you are talking about.
My only solace is that one day,
judgment will come for the wicked, then we will see who burns
Raise your heads, unclasp your hands,
your weakness makes me tremble
True strength comes from within
And we were given this life to live,
not exist under standards, set by some nonsense rule book.
What prayers of yours, were ever answered, by degrading others
Spare me your biblical back peddling nonsense
For the people that you've hurt, and the Being your dishonor,
Your fall from grace, will finally justify my means
Judge me and now you are me and what's worse
You are now a traitor to your God
Tell me Judas, how does it feel to be looked down upon
Sinners like you, should be stung up from the highest tree
you judged me and now you are me, stop playing God
This is a song by the band Atreyu. It's written about people like the creators of this article. All you bible-thumping hypocrites need to shut up and leave us alone. We will worship the Lord in our own ways. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By a concerned friend on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:11 PM |
Oh no!!! Bands who play this "metal" music scream in their music.. it must be satanic!!!! Save your children!! Don't go to cornerstone!!
You people are the reason so many look down and laugh at Christianity now. You do not know what these guys wrote their music about.. You don't even know them personally... Who gives you the right to point your finger?
That's the problem with so many "Christians" like you today.
You're right.. it is not you who will stand before these guys who play in metal bands that scream on judgement day... Think about it...
Step back and stop pointing your uneducated finger at them. Look in the mirror.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Chuck on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:07 PM |
| Scripture and arguement aside, who are you to decide what is worthy of glorifying God? just because the musical stylings of bands like the damascus intervention and other metal-based acts are not appealing to your tastes, or conventional forms of showing worship, doesnt mean they are any less heartfelt than the Christian music you are accustomed to. what made you pick zombie gutz and the damascus intervention? why are you pointing fingers at them? cornerstone has featured countless bands in their style. i happen to have met a couple of members of zombie gutz on a couple of occassions and they are some of the nicest, most sincere guys i have ever met. they are also very good Christians that carry a strong faith for the Lord in both their lives and their music, whether or not you choose to see that. How dare you assault a culture that you know nothing about. with some more research you would have found that their are plenty of Christian bands in this genre that provide a uplifting message to a youth that might otherwise be lost. bands such as beloved or any other solid state bands are pretty good representations of this....also i site a band called Deus Invictus *which means God is victorious. they are a Christian "death" (and i use the term loosely only to compare it to the sounds of other similar sounding non-Christian acts) metal band. Cornerstone is a positive force for our youth. In all honestly we need more events like it. maybe not everything going on at cornerstone is very "Christian", but thats just what happens when you get that many people together at once, youll always have a few to spoil it. you may not understand it, or the generation or culture behind it, but with a little more research you would have found that it is a positive thing. you should think of doing the same, rather than sitting behind a keyboard and telling everyone theyre going to hell without any solid information to back up your accusations or any specific constructive criticism. i beg the question who is doing the right thing here? musicians and youth getting together in a positive environment or someone sitting at home on their computer, bitter, uneducated casting out negative comments towards people they have no right to judge? get a clue. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By CharlieD on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:30 PM |
"""Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! By Mrs. Ray on Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:26 PM
Al and Aj,
It is not I who you will stand before come judgment day.
But the Bible does teach that I can judge the fruit of those who claim the title of Christian. There is nothing on your web site nor those you align yourself with that is remotely glorifying the Lord God of Heaven and Earth. But there is plenty that glorifies the enemy of our souls, Satan.
It really does not matter what words that you attach to the music, it is the spirit behind it, and I am pretty confident it does not resemble the Holy Spirit of God.
I point you all to the numerous Scriptures listed above.
If theScritpures above do not speak to your spirit; you might want to ask yourselves ... why"""""
actually yes you will stand before God on judgement day. The bible states that EVERYONE will do so. if you dont believe me, then look it up yourself, im not going to throw a million scriptural verses at you that have several different meanings.
and in fact the Bible does say not to judge others, in any way. that is for the Creator himself to do. u are no better than anyone else this world, you are no higher up in ranking or status, so what gives you any right? also.. everyone.. yes EVERYONE is a sinner. im pretty sure that you have several things youve done in your life AS A CHRISTIAN that havent been to glorify God..,so again, no one has the right to judge.
as i said before, there is no such thing as christian music. ONLY CHRISTIAN LYRICS. and God rejoices when we do something well, when we use our talents, and make effort in life. even if it is not towards him or for him. he is a loving father, he wants us to succeed and be happy and positive. and if you still further do not understand my point. show me some Christian music. without lyrics if you please., because.. its impossible.. people who arent christians write the same kind of stuff.. so how is it christian? so yes it doest matter what lyrics you attach to the music, because lyrics are what give it its meaning. God gave us free will and freedom of expression. so we can glorify him in more than jsut going to church and readin the bible and praying.
also. the bible itself.. speaks of death and destruction and hell
and it speaks of god being all powerful and a god to be feared
most of the music is to express the depth, feeling, and meaning behind the words. kind of like how in a movie, it has music playing along with the movie, to give it an emotion.
i would still like it ask
what part of it glorifies satan?
lyrics are fine, some are from bible
music, metal and hardcore, not all neccessarily christian, but it helps people understand the point and feeling behind the song
the people- christians, who wear different clothes- God doesnt care how u look.
so which part glorifies satan?
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Thad on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:31 PM |
| that was the most ignorant rant i think i've ever heard. like justin said, do you know them? have you read their lyrics? jsut cause it's a genre of music you aren't accustomed to, you think "ohhh its the devil!". and how does the word of God judge them? all i read was you judging them. their lyrics nor their actions are satanic. there are plenty of christian bands who sound similar to them whose cd i bought at christian music stores. have you ever heard of Haste The Day? or how about Demon Hunter? or Becoming the Archetype? if not how bout you look them up and read their lyrics. and as for the band zombie gutz, i know some of the band members and i happen to know that they are church-going christians. so who are you to judge them. shame on you. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Chris "Xombie" Bedford on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:32 PM |
People like you are the reason why I can't come to terms with faith and religeon. Zealots like you who only read the parts of the bible that you can twist to make yourself seem righteous.
So they don't flaunt the cross like it's a fashion. Last time I checked, it's not the symbol that matters but the will to do good things.
How about you spend time outing the real "wolves." The rapists "of the cloth" that squander children's faith. The preacher that asks for money in return for salvation. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Biggie of Red Zone Publications on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:34 PM |
| This is directed at Mrs. Ray. First i'll introduce myself, My name is James and I run a webzine based in Tampa Florida and focused on music. I would like to know what you(Mrs. Ray) hope to acheive by posting this thread and taking a personal stab at the gentlemen in The Damascus Intervention and the other bands mentioned in the above thread. The Cornerstone festival tries to reach out to youths and people to bring them together with an event that features all sorts of bands from all over the United States and the world to provide a positive and fun time for all Christian and nonChristian. There are a lot of other ways kids that attend those festivals and the bands that play them can spend their time to do negative less constructive things. You attack those bands and their music because of your ignorance to what they are trying to do beacuse they don't just come foward with a candy coated "Jesus loves the little children" type song and dance. They have every right to do what they are doing and do not deserve your critiscism or attacks. If you are not into what they do then simply stay away from it. Everything you don't agree with is not trying to take over the world in the name of satan. You should only take a look at yourself and judge your own lifestyle as opposed to trying to stir up a ruckus for attention. You are no better than any musician or person you ridicule. I will be the first to stand up and tell you that I am by no means a Christian or do I follow any other religion organized or not. I have however studied all diffrent religions thuroughly and it seems to me like a more Buddhist approach might have been the route to go on this subject before you went and typed all of this senseless babble. What good is it doing? If you don't want people to listen to these bands then why would you put the time of day into linking their websites TDI should thank you for the free advertising. I do invite you to visit my webzine at www.redzone.8m.com or at www.myspace.com/redzonepub as I openly support The Damascus Intervention and every band like or unlike them that is out with a good message for a good cause. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By dillon on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:34 PM |
It's people like this person that go around pointing fingers that give actual good Christians a bad name. Don't try to sit there and argue about it or make a pathetic attempt to justify your small-mindedness with scripture...it won't work on me. i have some scripture for you, as well...Psalms 100:1: Make a joyful noise to the LORD, all the earth.
And don't try to say that my interpretation is incorrect...it's MY interpretation. Just like YOUR interpretation is to accuse everyone of evil except yourself. 50 bucks says God regrets making ingrates like you...good day.
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By jacob on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:35 PM |
| im gonna pray for you man because your about the most ignorant human being ive ever heard of in my life first of all if you would actually read the freaking lyrics to these bands you would know that the damascus intervention and zombie gutz have nothing but positive christian lyrics and as for demon hunter your a freaking retard for even bringing them up there very name say they stand against evil and there symbol is a demon with a BULLET HOLE in its head so get your facts straight before you go calling a bunch of christian bands satanic because you dont like the style they play |
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By Travis on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:21 PM |
| How can you know what the holy spirit of god resembles? Just because people scream and growl their lyrics instead of sing them doesnt make the spirit of the music satanic. Stop bashing people just because they dont fit your views. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Prophezine on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 2:29 PM |
Another Oxymoron – “Christian Death Metal”
To all the “Christian” Death Metal band members, supporters and listeners, who have risen to the cause in support of your questionable lifestyle. I greet you.
My name is Ray Gano and I am the executive director of Prophezine.
I do not understand your reason to defend the un-defendable as you have done so with such verbosity as on our website.
Come, read, learn and post to what I have to say about Christian Death Metal....
http://www.prophezine.com/ProphezineBlogZone/tabid/389/EntryID/16/Default.aspx
ALL POSTS IN QUESTION AND ADDRESSED BY RAY MAY BE READ IN FULL AT RAYS BLOG ... SEE ABOVE URL |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By John on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:10 PM |
If these guys cannot understand what is wrong with "Christian" Death Metal then they truly have been turned over to a reprobate mind.
They are sons of Satan as the sons of Satan do not like to have light brought into their darkness. It is obvious that they are gnashing their teeth by the way in which they speak.
I suggest they read: Galations 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
Music is an extension of what is in our heart. Death Metal in no way could be construed as displaying the above characteristics.
And as Jesus said:
Matthew 15:16-20 “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man"
You may say the actual words of your music are not bad, but your music is. Additionally Death Metal which I used to listen to before I was saved was not about the words, heck you never could hear or understand the words. It was about thrashing to the music, and the only way you could really get into thrashing was through alcohol or drugs.
Anyone who says they are a Christian and feels the desire to listen to this music may not realize it but their life has never been regenerated through salvation or they would not feel a desire to listen to this stuff. It in no way glorifies God. Or helps a person in their Christian walk.
Trayce has not judged you, your music and your words judge you.
And you are very wrong about one thing. You like others misinterpret 1 Romans2:1 where Paul Says:
“Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.”
Paul here is talking about Those who are not saved: A good example is a Judge who is not saved who judges and sentences others. The Judge does not believe in God and does not have the law of God in his heart and therefore sins but judges and condemns others who sin via his court.
He is not talking about Christians judging other Christians. We as Christians are supposed to act as watchmen and warn others to their faces, and if they do not accept the warning but continue to sin then the Christian is to take the matter to the body of Christians as a whole.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By john on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:58 PM |
If these guys cannot understand what is wrong with "Christian" Death Metal then they truly have been turned over to a reprobate mind.
They are sons of Satan as the sons of Satan do not like to have light brought into their darkness. It is obvious that they are gnashing their teeth by the way in which they speak.
I suggest they read: Galations 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
Music is an extension of what is in our heart. Death Metal in no way could be construed as displaying the above characteristics.
And as Jesus said:
Matthew 15:16-20 “Are you also still without understanding? 17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man"
You may say the actual words of your music are not bad, but your music is. Additionally Death Metal which I used to listen to before I was saved was not about the words, heck you never could hear or understand the words. It was about thrashing to the music, and the only way you could really get into thrashing was through alcohol or drugs.
Anyone who says they are a Christian and feels the desire to listen to this music may not realize it but their life has never been regenerated through salvation or they would not feel a desire to listen to this stuff. It in no way glorifies God. Or helps a person in their Christian walk.
Trayce has not judged you, your music and your words judge you.
And you are very wrong about one thing. You like others misinterpret 1 Romans2:1 where Paul Says:
“Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.”
Paul here is talking about Those who are not saved: A good example is a Judge who is not saved who judges and sentences others. The Judge does not believe in God and does not have the law of God in his heart and therefore sins but judges and condemns others who sin via his court.
He is not talking about Christians judging other Christians. We as Christians are supposed to act as watchmen and warn others to their faces, and if they do not accept the warning but continue to sin then the Christian is to take the matter to the body of Christians as a whole.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By sheila white on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:01 PM |
| well glory to the Lord God Almighty !!!!!! Trayce you are doing a wonderful job making sure the truth is out and tell Ray I just love that sermon he posted > He sorta sounds like me and I dont back down either not when it comes to the Word of God which is the King James Bible or standing for my lord who is Jesus Christ and H eis the way the truth and the life ! AMEN ! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!! |
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By marathon616 on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:02 PM |
I guess these guys never heard of the "Our Father" prayer. Let me quote:
Our Father who art in heaven, hollowed be thy name
Thy kingdom come, THY WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS
IT IS IN HEAVEN...... |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By adam lybrand on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:07 PM |
| Ray, you forgot something on your defense of your wife's report. People who make God into an image that suits themselves and their desires have broken the first of the 10 commandments. By breaking one commandment they are guilty of all (James 2:10). |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Nick (jams booking) on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 6:23 PM |
I still don't get how you people are so stubborn. Are you the people scared to walk outside? Who go pick up old cassette tapes at "BIG LOTS" ? There are so many other BAD, SATANIC things in this world. Times have changed, music has changed, peoples clothing style, and peoples desires have ALL changed.
I understand where you are coming from, just stubborn. If you were to meet these bands and find out how nice and appreciative these guys are you wouldn't make accusations. I for one can't count the times on my finger where a christian band has played my venue and announced and preached about their eternal love for god. You can't tell me that all these people listen to nickelback and thats it can you...
all we like is different types of music. i dont see how that you can say we are brainwashed...or satanic. A lot of these bands try to find churches to go to that sunday morning when they play saturdays here.
so look just a little bit more than that, this issue is very defendable because a lot of people aren't into this music so automatically ITS BAD, but in all actuallity its a great thing.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By john on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:45 PM |
1) I still don't get how you people are so stubborn. Are you the people scared to walk outside? Who go pick up old cassette tapes at "BIG LOTS" ? There are so many other BAD, SATANIC things in this world. Times have changed, music has changed, peoples clothing style, and people’s desires have ALL changed.
I don’t know where you get the impression that people are scared? No one is scared.
And no one is being stubborn. My Friend Christianity is not some consumer choice where the freedom of choice bends as far as you would like it to.
Your contention that times have changed, music has changed, clothing style and people’s desires have changed shows that you do not know Jesus. People who are genuinely filled with the Spirit of God do not worry about such things, because they have put away their own desires. It’s called crucifying the flesh. It’s called dying to self. It’s called no matter if you look the fool to the world your only desire is to be a reflection of Christ in everything you do and in every situation you are in.
And again I have come from a background of Heavy Metal and I thought I was a Christian, it was not until I learned that I had to crush my desires and allow the Holy Spirit to come into my life and take over, then my whole life changed. I discovered that as Christians we are here to do God's will, for everything we do to glorify him so that when people see us in any situation they do not see us they see Christ.
And I can tell you right now I never saw Christ in Thrashing and Metal, I met him when I completely surrendered my life to him What others who are not saved see in "Christian Metal" is "hey they are like me I don’t have to change I can stay the way I am”.
It’s called carnal Christianity. And as far as the BAD Satanic things in the world, it’s not the glaringly obvious Satanic Influences that corrupt Christianity it’s gradually opening up the door a little bit at a time to carnal things. It’s the little bit of leaven added to the dough a little bit at a time over time, the more leaven the more corruption until "Christianity is so corrupted you cannot differentiate it from the world. And this is the path you are on.
Have you ever heard of the Second Law of Thermodynamics? It’s a factual Scientific and Sociological law. It says everything in the physical world moves from states of order to disorder, from perfection to corruption and never in reverse. You cannot see how these bands unknowingly are adding leaven that is taking the perfect absolute truth of the word of God and corrupting it. God speaks of this tendency of man to slowly corrupt the truth, and if you cannot discern that from the Bible then you are not a true Christian.
The world and everything in it is moving from a state that was perfect order (Before Adam Sinned) to disorder (after Adam sinned) and if man and Satan were left unchecked on to a state of Complete Disorder and death, but Jesus will return just prior to Satan completely destroying man and intervene, which will be Armageddon.
What you don’t realize is since your view of Christianity came after any previous view, your view is more corrupted. It is further down the tine line towards complete disorder. What the people on this web site are attempting to do is warn people to return to what Jesus revealed of how we should be Christians. So you are working against God, as you are attempting to redefine Christianity according to: “Times have changed, music has changed, peoples clothing style, and people’s desires have ALL changed.”
All those changes are adding to the corruption and the disorder of the world and following the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By john on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:30 PM |
1) I still don't get how you people are so stubborn. Are you the people scared to walk outside? Who go pick up old cassette tapes at "BIG LOTS" ? There are so many other BAD, SATANIC things in this world. Times have changed, music has changed, peoples clothing style, and people’s desires have ALL changed.
I don’t know where you get the impression that people are scared? No one is scared.
And no one is being stubborn. My Friend Christianity is not some consumer choice where the freedom of choice bends as far as you would like it to.
Your contention that times have changed, music has changed, clothing style and people’s desires have changed shows that you do not know Jesus. People who are genuinely filled with the Spirit of God do not worry about such things, because they have put away their own desires. It’s called crucifying the flesh. It’s called dying to self. It’s called no matter if you look the fool to the world your only desire is to be a reflection of Christ in everything you do and in every situation you are in.
And again I have come from a background of Heavy Metal and I thought I was a Christian, it was not until I learned that I had to crush my desires and allow the Holy Spirit to come into my life and take over, then my whole life changed. I discovered that as Christians we are here to do God's will, for everything we do to glorify him so that when people see us in any situation they do not see us they see Christ.
And I can tell you right now I never saw Christ in Thrashing and Metal, I met him when I completely surrendered my life to him What others who are not saved see in "Christian Metal" is "hey they are like me I don’t have to change I can stay the way I am”.
It’s called carnal Christianity. And as far as the BAD Satanic things in the world, it’s not the glaringly obvious Satanic Influences that corrupt Christianity it’s gradually opening up the door a little bit at a time to carnal things. It’s the little bit of leaven added to the dough a little bit at a time over time, the more leaven the more corruption until "Christianity is so corrupted you cannot differentiate it from the world. And this is the path you are on.
Have you ever heard of the Second Law of Thermodynamics? It’s a factual Scientific and Sociological law. It says everything in the physical world moves from states of order to disorder, from perfection to corruption and never in reverse. You cannot see how these bands unknowingly are adding leaven that is taking the perfect absolute truth of the word of God and corrupting it. God speaks of this tendency of man to slowly corrupt the truth, and if you cannot discern that from the Bible then you are not a true Christian.
The world and everything in it is moving from a state that was perfect order (Before Adam Sinned) to disorder (after Adam sinned) and if man and Satan were left unchecked on to a state of Complete Disorder and death, but Jesus will return just prior to Satan completely destroying man and intervene, which will be Armageddon.
What you don’t realize is since your view of Christianity came after any previous view, your view is more corrupted. It is further down the tine line towards complete disorder. What the people on this web site are attempting to do is warn people to return to what Jesus revealed of how we should be Christians. So you are working against God, as you are attempting to redefine Christianity according to: “Times have changed, music has changed, peoples clothing style, and people’s desires have ALL changed.”
All those changes are adding to the corruption and the disorder of the world and following the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Kt on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:29 PM |
| I look at you fundamentalist extremist idiots and I laugh. I laugh very hard. And all the time. You are the best joke I think I could ever experience. I am laughing right now. Thank you very much. Your idiocy has brightened my day :-) |
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By Xombie on
Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:32 PM |
| Wow, and I thought Scientology was rediculous. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Chuck on
Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:19 PM |
its a simple fact: people are afraid of what they dont understand.
you point fingers, make accusations and judge those whom you do not know. you dont know our names, our backgrounds, our morals or upbringings. simply, you do not know who you are condemming.
like it or not, we are the future. we are the youth that will inherit the world, more importantly, we are the youth that YOU created. maybe you should spend some time getting to know us before you make your judgements.
there are a lot of good people behind the music that you are bashing and youre definitely not giving them a fair shot. ever heard the saying "dont judge a book by its cover?" look beneath the music that doesnt appeal to YOU, look at the people under the tattoos and black clothing, you may find that you have more in common with them than you think.some of us (im not speaking for all) are just as passionate about serving the Lord as you. we just choose to do it in a different way.
theyre serving the Lord in the way that best suits them. its just like a job, if you dont like the job you have, youre not going to be able to do as good a job for your employer. same applies here: if a musician inspired by Jesus Christ doesnt have any appeal towards conventional Christian music or ways of worship but continues to play the styles he/she doesnt like and worship in a way he/she isnt comfortable with, then arent they not serving the Lord to their full potential? wouldnt they be better off serving the Lord in a way that they can feel the most passionate about?
artists put their heart and soul into music knowing that when they put it out to the public that it is an easy target for criticism, its a well known fact that not everybody is going to like everything all the time. we're not writing music to please everybody here and its apparent that we'll never please you. thats ok with us. but whats not ok is when you choose to viciously attack those that do enjoy our art and appreciate the talent and passion behind it. there are a lot of people who have been positively influenced by the music we make and tell me, whats wrong with that? whats wrong with bringing some sense of positivity and enjoyment to people? one of you claim the only way to enjoy this music is on drugs and alcohol...how can you explain the major role the straight edge movement (no drugs or poisons in the body) has played in this musical styling?
all you can do is cast your uneducated, close-minded opinions at us behind your keyboards. whats the point to this nonsense witch hunt you have started? what are you looking to achieve by a hateful internet crusade? do you have anything positive to contribute to the world by hating others? and before you correct me, yes, it is HATE in which you feel towards us. you my friends are the ones gnashing your teeth at our comments. you cant stand something that is outside your comfort zone. rock n' roll was considered satanic when it first came to light in the 50's.....this is just another revolution in music. like it or not it is the future.
there is diversity in the world and you CANT and WONT change it. you preach a Christianity that leads people to live a life of fear, a sort of Paradise Lost approach that is both dated and gives a sense of hopelessness to your followers, who believe that if they step to their own beat, live their own life or fall out of line that they will be condemmed to burning in hell.
i challenge you. every one of you who have taken it upon yourselves to judge people based on their appearance and style of music...come to a christian hardcore show and talk to some of the kids there, talk to the musicians. you dont even have to stay for the show if you cant stand the music, come early and talk to the people there. dont go in with a bad attitude and start doing the same things youve done here, just go and start a casual, friendly conversation....and come back here, tell us what show it was and what youve learned. i think you might have a better outlook if you give this the right chance. and if nothing else, youll have proved me wrong, rather than quoting the bible here in response to my arguement and accomplishing nothing more than frustrating yourselves. if we are the hellspawn you claim we are, it would surely show if you were to approach us right? |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By marc on
Friday, September 01, 2006 9:37 AM |
greetings ray and trayce
do not grow weary of doing good for in due time we shall reap -- even so Lord Jesus come quickly.
These men and women of the rock/metal scene follow thier own ways as so plainly stated by themselves - scripture states that there is a way that seems right to a man but the end of that way is death - perhaps that is why they are so obsessed with death -- they do not know the way of Life and seems to have no desire to from what i read in thier posts.
Many spout that we should not judge then go right on ahead and judge you who have shown that you desire them to be right with the Lord, they talk out both sides of their mouth.
They are filled with their own lusts and 'glory' seeking cheerfully walking the road to hellfire -- i pray that it is not to late for them to repent as the days of apostasy increase
in christ jesus our Lord
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Justin of the The Damascus Intervention on
Friday, September 01, 2006 9:38 AM |
| We have a difference in opinion thats okay this is my last post. Good Luck to your Ezine and in every thing you do in life. I dont hold any kind of grudge with you people, even if you do or do not like me that much. We all know how short life is. -keep it clean- -Justin- |
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By on
Friday, September 01, 2006 10:11 AM |
Justin you said ... "We have a difference in opinion that's okay this is my last post. Good Luck to your Ezine and in every thing you do in life. I don't hold any kind of grudge with you people, even if you do or do not like me that much. We all know how short life is. -keep it clean- -Justin-"
Justin we do not have a difference of "opinion" and I have nothing against you as a person.
The Word of God is not my opinion. It does not matter what my opinion is or anyone else's opinion is. The Word of God stands completely on it's own infallible merits because it is the Word of the Most High God.
What I do dislike and will continue to expose is the slap in God's face with the things you and the others here who have posted involve yourselves in and promote.
My heart goes out to you and all these others who have posted in yours and the death cultures defense. You are all deceived if you believe that God can be mocked. You have been taught a lie. You have been taught a lie that will end in your eternal destruction and eternity spent in the firey pits of hell. Find a King James Bible and read Luke 16 paying close attention to verses 20-31.
Until the day you take that last breath though there is still the opportunity to turn from your sins and receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior.
This is not a game. This is not an opinion. This is not about doing your own thing. This is not about someone who just does not understand you. This is not about how much fun you can have before you die. This is not about being relevant to todays young people or any peoples for that matter.
What it is about is the truth of Scriptures. What it is about is lost and dying souls. What it is about is people believing a lie. What it is about, is what you are promoting.
Justin my prayer for you and all those who have posted is that God give you grace and open your eyes and ears to the deception that is very real and very deadly. There is going to come a day when God ushers in the strong delusion. I believe we are seeing in present day and time the foundations being laid at an alarming rate for that to take place
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Eric on
Friday, September 01, 2006 5:16 PM |
Ray, I'll keep praying for you and your bride. It's sad to see you endure such non-sense from these folks who call themselves Christians. I had a co-worker who listened to this stuff. He was about 22-23 yrs old. Very nice guy, and I consider him a friend. I'm 36. When I was in High School I listened to "Heavy Metal". I was not saved then. But at least those bands I listened to the lyrics could actually be understood. (Like Metallica). I don't listen to them anymore...but I can say that at least he could sing and the band was actually musically skilled. However, the "heaviness" of bands like that were nothing compared to this death metal stuff (and it was around when I was younger too). This stuff sounds like the person is vomitting in a toilet with a microphone attached. I've never been able to understand a word they say. Not only that, I fail to see how any of it (and the stuff I used to listen to) could EVER glorify God in any way, shape or form. As Ray has already pointed out, and you death metal folks have ignored, the Bible does indeed point out how we should conduct ourselves, and even how we should dress. You obviously skipped over those scriptures that talk about such things. I'd have to agree with Ray, that when I hear this "music" (and I use that term loosely), that it conjures up nothing but feelings of rage, rebellion, extreme anger, and contempt. I get no sense of anything peaceful when I come away from hearing such noise. That's one thing that has dissappointed me for some time now, is that not only the death metal bands that call themselves Christian, but some of the (much) lighter fare out there in the so-called "Christian Rock" arena and even much of the "Pop" Christian music quite frankly is modeling the world. It sounds exactly like the music of the world. Much of this music rarely mentions Jesus directly and only remotely refers to Him, to the point where non-believers who have heard some of the music didn't even know it was supposed to be Christian music. That's sad, and I'm not talking just about Death Metal either. I'm referring to all genre's of the Christian music scene.
Scotland:
Those lyrics you posted by Atreyu... after reading them... actually work against you and the argument you're trying to build. Those lyrics are mean-spirited, angry, and only prove that the person writing them is ignorant of God's word. "People like you should be crucified" and what about "true strength comes from within"... Wrong. True strength comes from God's Holy Spirit, not from ourselves. Those lyrics only prove what Ray is saying is correct. Jesus said that "people will know that you are My disciples because you love one another." Those lyrics are full of anger, and a vengeful spirit. - Hardly anything that will glorify God. And I see no form of worship in them either. The reason God gave humanity the ability to sing and create music was to worship Him. That is the ONLY true, legitimate reason. Every other reason, no matter how pleasing it may sound to the ear, is nothing but self-serving and therefore ungodly. That may be hard for many of you and us to hear, but it's the truth. Ray's got it right. He know's his Bible, and it's obvious from all of you that are against him, that you do not know your Bible (you certainly haven't shown any evidence that you do in this blog!). Furthermore, you try to argue with Ray that because he doesn't personally know you, that he cannot judge you. True, only God will be the ultimate judge and Ray stated that repeatedly. However, the Bible does warn us to be vigilant and discern what is good from what is evil. To discern means to judge. The Bible says that you will know one by the fruit they bare. A good tree cannot bare bad fruit, and likewise a bad tree cannot bare good fruit. This is a solemn warning, because it goes on to say what will happen to the bad trees: they will be cut down and cast into the fire to be burned (for they are useless). It's sad to see so many of you shake your fist at Ray and and also at God. People who argue that "it's only music" as if to imply that it doesn't affect people are wrong. It's affects are clearly seen here. Well, let me rephrase that.."clearly" to those who are not blinded by their own ignorance and rebellion. Which in here, are few. Few people today, especially in America, have any real understanding of the true nature of God and His character. They don't grasp the concept of true rightousness, holiness, and how God is a Just god. Because of this failure, they form their own worldly ideas of God. Ideas that don't come from His Word, the Bible.
Ray, may God continue to bless your ministry. You are doing a good work. You've given these folks the truth from God's Word. They are ignoring it. You're hands will be clean of their blood on Judgement Day.
- in Christ Jesus
Eric |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Biggie from Red Zone Publications on
Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:24 PM |
| You people with your finger pointing and judgement give Christianity a horrid name. I welcome you to research bands and actually look iinto churches who have actually had bands of the same nature as The Damascus Intervention play at the churches and in youth groups. There is a Church here in New Port Richey, Florida where a band that had a member who was formerly in TDI play a show in their church. I attended we had a great time and afterward we played Basketball and Halo 2....... So am I going to hell? IS the band that played? Are all of the innocent young teenagers that attended, Are their parents for permitting them? Is the pastor? NO....... Maybe you people are for passing false jusgement on innocent people in the name of god..... just put that into thought |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Jonathan on
Sunday, September 03, 2006 2:22 PM |
| AAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! How can you be so prejudice, stupid, and hatefull. you can't judge someone for what they look or sound like. I am being literal right now when I say I am natious at your ignorence. you make me want to throw up on you. you can read the lyrics and tell they are christian. I mean come on demon hunter? what sadist person HUNTS demons. The Damascus Intervention? where the sadism in that name or their lyrics. they have lyrics that come out of the bible. Where does it say in the bible that there is a specific way to give praise. and if you don't except this you are obviously afraid of the responce you are going to get to it and the christ loving people who listen to these bands will back me up on this. how has your mind become so corrupt as to tell us how to praise. your ignorance sickens me. if you want to bash christian bands maybe you worship satan. so if you love God you will shut up and quit hating on the music we love. they are christian wheter you like it or not and you can't change it. you suck for even thinking that you were right. GET A LIFE AND GO BASH PEOPLE WHO DESERVE IT. |
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Re: Beware of those who lurk in sheeps clothing but are inwardly ravening wolves! |
By Prophezine on
Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:37 PM |
ERIC & JOHN
Thank you for the positive Kudos.
Please contact me off line. ray.gano@prophezine.com.
I would like to speak with you.
In His service,
Ray
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